2019 Engine Master's Challenge - Studebaker Power Team

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Re: 2019 Engine Master's Challenge - Studebaker Power Team

Post by PackardV8 » 12 Jan 2019, 16:05

Mike Van Veghten wrote:
11 Jan 2019, 20:52
Hey Jeff, all -
I'd say that it would be easier/cheaper to make the hard corners of the Evans manifold more rounded, and therefore adding greatly to its flow possibility's for any real high horse power figures.
But there again...it's a "modified" manifold.

Mike
313 - INTAKE MANIFOLD
Engine must use a mass produced commercially available cast aluminum or OEM single four barrel intake manifold
Mike,

As I read the rules, the Evans intake would be allowed.

jack

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Re: 2019 Engine Master's Challenge - Studebaker Power Team

Post by 64Avanti » 12 Jan 2019, 16:38

Did anyone notice the requirement for a commercially available steel SFI unmodified flywheel!! or how about the requirment for a 3 piece chain drive for the camshaft!! Whoever wrote these rules was not interested in vintage engines. You would need to get a waiver on just these two items to run a Studebaker engine.

Not sure what could be done about the intake manifold. I have not had an Evans intake manifold in hand but looking a pictures indicates that the exit angle of the manifold does not match the entrance angle of the head so I would not expect it to flow too well. Of course that is just an opinion at this point.
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Re: 2019 Engine Master's Challenge - Studebaker Power Team

Post by Mike Van Veghten » 12 Jan 2019, 19:49

Hey Jack -

My comment about the Evans manifold included cutting out the horrendous hard corners in the runners and making some nice long, smoothly radiused runners.
Hence the modified manifold.

Mike

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Re: 2019 Engine Master's Challenge - Studebaker Power Team

Post by PackardV8 » 12 Jan 2019, 20:38

Mike Van Veghten wrote:
12 Jan 2019, 19:49
Hey Jack - My comment about the Evans manifold included cutting out the horrendous hard corners in the runners and making some nice long, smoothly radiused runners.
Hence the modified manifold. Mike
Welding and/or epoxy filler prohibited on any part of cast manifold.
For true, Mike. No cutting or welding allowed, but at least the taller of the two Evans is maybe theoretically better than anything else available.

jack

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Re: 2019 Engine Master's Challenge - Studebaker Power Team

Post by Mike Van Veghten » 13 Jan 2019, 19:18

David L wrote -
Not sure what could be done about the intake manifold. I have not had an Evans intake manifold in hand but looking a pictures indicates that the exit angle of the manifold does not match the entrance angle of the head so I would not expect it to flow too well. Of course that is just an opinion at this point.

WHAT THE HELL WERE THEY THINKING..?
As David sorta notes, the Studebaker cylinder head ports enter the heads at about 32 degrees (from 90) off of the gasket surface.
The Evans ports exit the manifold at about 90 degrees (or 0 vs. the 32 degrees of the Stude) like most other American engines..!
SO...along with the hard bend within the port runners themselves, the fuel/air needs to make another...hard 32 degree bend into the cylinder head right out of the manifold. A nice sharp edge, not even any radius.

Not that it is in any true running, this makes the Evans manifold completely useless for any performance use.
Another (even worse than the Bulldog) manifold that had a VERY good opportunity to be a plenty usable, at least a decent manifold has failed miserably in its design.

Mike

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Re: 2019 Engine Master's Challenge - Studebaker Power Team

Post by Jeff Rice » 18 Jan 2019, 10:17

GREAT NEWS!!!!

There will be a Studebaker V8 engine competing at the 2019 Engine Master's Challenge!!

Digger Dave Molnar has decided to build an engine to compete at this years competition.
He will be scrutinizing the current rulebook and is getting ready now.
Digger, You just made my day!!!!!! :P


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Re: 2019 Engine Master's Challenge - Studebaker Power Team

Post by Jeff Rice » 27 Jan 2019, 19:59

1/27/2019 - UPDATE

Great news! This is still pending and unconfirmed information, but it is still very positive.

There have been some sensitive behind the scenes conversations and negotiations happening with the management and rules people at the Engine Master's Challenge program.
Too soon to say anything, except to say the converstions have been positive, the questions asked have been taken under advisement and the rules clarification requests have been made.

There will only be one (1) Studebaker engine competing in the 'Old Iron' category.
There will only be six (6) engines total in the 'Old Iron' category.
Even if two Stude engines were entered, one would have not been accepted, due to class size.
That is all right. We are going to be putting all of our collective efforts into Digger Dave Molnar's engine package.

Fairly soon I will be asking anyone and everyone that has a decent engine dyno sim program to plug some numbers in and give us some feedback on possible combinations. Awaiting a decision on a couple of questions from the rules committee before I lay out the 'new and revised' Studebaker Team idea concept.

Stay tuned!
Jeff 8)

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Re: 2019 Engine Master's Challenge - Studebaker Power Team

Post by Jeff Rice » 23 Apr 2019, 08:05

(4/20/2019) UPDATE

Great news!
There is going to be a Studebaker engine entered in the 2019 Hot Rod Magazine Engine Master's Challenge!!!!!

Almost ever rules question/challenge has been answered and met.

It is a GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: 2019 Engine Master's Challenge - Studebaker Power Team

Post by Jeff Rice » 06 May 2019, 20:22

IT IS OFFICIAL!!!!!!!
The Studebaker Power Team engine has been accepted and will compete in the 2019 Engine Master's Competition. :D

More details to come!
Our want list is surprisingly short, but very much in need.
Will be making an updated list in the next couple of days.

Thanks for your patience!

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Re: 2019 Engine Master's Challenge - Studebaker Power Team

Post by Jeff Rice » 08 May 2019, 06:59

Things will be picking up as the date draws closer.
Our 'want list' is fairly short, but the Studebaker Power Team still needs some help to compete at a high level.
Made reservations at the host hotel (Holiday Inn) so the team will have a place to stay.
Last year there was a scramble to get a decent room. We are ready for this year.
Transportation expenses are also something that we would like some help with.
Our parts list is fairly short. And some help with those has been sought out (offered).
Am vesting our cards on that for a couple of days until those deals have been confirmed and finalized.

Progress!

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Re: 2019 Engine Master's Challenge - Studebaker Power Team

Post by Jeff Rice » 08 May 2019, 07:13

"Digger" Dave Molnar has been a busy man...
Dave ran literally hundreds of cam dyno sim's and has decided on the (Jay Bradel supplied) roller cam profile for the 304+
(.060" overbore as allowed by the rules).
The cam has been shipped down to Phil Harris for his cam grinder to prepare.
Our query (plea) to the Engine Master's rules committee was successful when it came to the roller lifters.
We asked that 'solid' roller lifters be allowed as Studebaker V8 engines all used 'solid' lifters.
The rules committee basically uses a majority of the NHRA 'stock class' engine rules as their guideline.
Since the first OEM 'roller cam' engines used a hydraulic roller lifter, that's what was determined to be 'stock'.
An exclusion to that rule was added for engines manufactured earlier that had solid lifters (Stude and ?)
Jay also made up some bronze(?) distributor gears and sent the Studebaker Power Team one to use with his camshaft.

So...
Our valvetrain has been decided. Unless there is a base circle height issue that might change the pushrod length, we can use the parts we ran last year.
Progress!

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Re: 2019 Engine Master's Challenge - Studebaker Power Team

Post by Jeff Rice » 10 May 2019, 09:16

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