2019 Engine Master's Challenge - Studebaker Power Team

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Re: 2019 Engine Master's Challenge - Studebaker Power Team

Post by Jeff Rice » 30 Sep 2019, 06:20

From Digger Dave
(and the rest of the Studebaker Power Team)
A sincere thank you for all your help, your donations, and your enthusiastic support of the efforts of the Studebaker Power Team. We would not be able to compete at this level without your help and support.

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Post by 55commander » 30 Sep 2019, 08:43

Do us proud
Can't wait to hear the numbers for the Stude and other Orphan teams

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Post by Jeff Rice » 30 Sep 2019, 20:43

More to come... Real busy..
Pulled 388.9 hp and 363.4 ft pounds torque.
Was down slightly from the 396 HP pulled at the Indiana dyno shop on Friday.
We were in first place until the afternoon when a Ford pused us to second.
We were ahead of the Pontiac and then an FE ford pushed us down to 3rd, where we are tonight.
Sorry for no pic's.. It's been super crazy fun busy.

Studebaker has gained a ton of attention and a lot of respect!

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Re: 2019 Engine Master's Challenge - Studebaker Power Team

Post by Jeff Rice » 01 Oct 2019, 11:11

(Tuesday Morning)
Well, we are down to 4th place.. There are 14 entries and they are all shooting at....us!
Great time. Here are a few pic's..

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BTW.... This Maxx Performance chineseum billet aluminum distributor worked great!
Ran it with an MSD phased rotor and the MSD6A and this thing was flawless.
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Re: 2019 Engine Master's Challenge - Studebaker Power Team

Post by Jeff Rice » 03 Oct 2019, 21:41

https://www.hotrod.com/articles/shoc...-makes-380-hp/

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HOT ROD FEATURED Shocking! 310ci Studebaker Makes 380 HP

Written by Mike Galimi on October 2, 2019
John McGann - Photographer;
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David Molnar and the Studebaker Power team kicked off 2019 AMSOIL Engine Masters Challenge Presented by JE Pistons with its 310ci powerplant. The unique R3 engine platform was originally supercharged from the factory, but Molnar and his group brought a naturally aspirated version of it to the competition.

The motivation for the Studebaker entry was to prove its capabilities as a contender. Molnar points to the fact that the factory castings have a superior combustion chamber, thanks to being fully machined from the factory. Another boasting point is the shallow 9-degree valve angle, which creates a fast burn with minimal ignition advance.

The factory engine block has a high iron content, which promotes better ring seal and piston stability. The bores have been enlarged to 3.6875-inch, which is the first step in creating the 310ci displacement. The second piece to the engine size puzzle is the stroke, which checks in at 3.625 inches. Howard connecting rods swing off the stock forged crankshaft and are attached to JE flat-top pistons.

The valvetrain is stable with a set of Studebaker shaft-mounted rocker arms, which actuate stainless-steel valves that are 1.875 inches on the intake side and 1.53 inches for the exhaust. A Comp Cams stick was slipped into the block and the lift is 0.545 inches on both sides with a split duration that’s listed as 250 degrees for the intake and 256 degrees on the exhaust. An Edelbrock Performer RPM rests on top of the engine, while Molnar brought utilized a FST Carburetor 750 on the SuperFlow dyno.

David Molnar: Mishawaka, Indiana
Class: Early Iron
Studebaker 310 ci
Peak HP 389 at 6,200
Peak Torque 363 at 4,800
Average HP 333.8
Average Torque 338.4
Overall Score 2,182

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Re: 2019 Engine Master's Challenge - Studebaker Power Team

Post by 55commander » 04 Oct 2019, 08:51

I just read this on line, nice write up.

4th the final position out of ??

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Re: 2019 Engine Master's Challenge - Studebaker Power Team

Post by PackardV8 » 04 Oct 2019, 11:53

55commander wrote:
04 Oct 2019, 08:51
4th the final position out of ??
Well, we are down to 4th place.. There are 14 entries and they are all shooting at....us!
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Post by Jeff Rice » 04 Oct 2019, 12:19

We ended up in 11th place out of 13 entrants...
Very pleased with the efforts.
Always wanted more.
The engine has more potential, but the challenge is to see what you have on this one particular day on this one particular dyno.
The Studebaker Power Team engine was down 8 horsepower from the race shop dyno session.
Probably due to environmental differences, and our lack of reading the room and making quick adjustments.
The winning engine had run on the same race shop dyno the day before we ran, and they were down 24 horsepower.
The dyno room, according to some of the competitors, had a corrected altitude of 3,000 feet.
Everyone was running rich.
Next year this will be our area of detailed work... Jet and air bleed fast changes, and easy timing changes.
No bad feelings, just identifying the things that helped and the things that hurt.
As a team, our experience was absolutely fantastic. We ran strong. We ran with the big boys.
They knew we were there. And... They were ALL supportive of our efforts.
Look for some future interesting articles from Hot Rod Magazine. They spent a lot of time with us...

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Re: 2019 Engine Master's Challenge - Studebaker Power Team

Post by Jeff Rice » 05 Oct 2019, 15:08

Of interest.....
The overall winner and deserved champion of the 2020 Hot Ros Magazine Engine Master's Challenge had his engine on Tony Bishop's dyno in southern Indiana right before we put the Studebaker engine on there.
They said they were down 24HP from Bishop's dyno to JE Piston's dyno.
Atmospheric conditions.. Someone said the corrected elevation in the dyno cell was 3000'.
Lot of engines were bad rich. Ours included.
Our percentage of loss was less.

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Post by diggerdavem » 06 Oct 2019, 09:34

Hi Studebaker lovers, just wanted to correct the camshaft numbers, intake @ 0.050" 247 degrees, exhaust @ 0.050" 261 degree, with 0.580" lift intake & exhaust and 107 degrees lobe center. This cam sounds better than any other I've used before!!! you can get one from Phil Haris. Jeff's great Performer RPM intake manifold conversion performed well with the FST carburetors. These carbs are the best!!! Wanted to make 400 plus H.P. and I believe it will be done on BES racing engine dyno soon...Stay tuned...Thank you all for your support, it was a great time and want to do it again.
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Post by diggerdavem » 06 Oct 2019, 10:07

P.S. the score on Tony Bishop's dyno with the 310" Studebaker was 2289. with 395 hp and 387 torque. this was 3700 to 6700 rpm range. Note: All other competitors at Engine Masters ran 4000 to 7000 rpm. I chose the lower range because we did not test at the higher range, maybe giving up some points.
So I believe there is some on the table to be had from this sweet Studebaker 310 engine.
Thank you all
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Re: 2019 Engine Master's Challenge - Studebaker Power Team

Post by PackardV8 » 06 Oct 2019, 11:35

Greetings and Congratulations, David,

Thanks for sharing the camshaft info; it's quite a bit different than the old school flat tappet stuff and probably a major reason for your great horsepower numbers.

Which lifters and pushrods did you run on it? Since Phil is going to be stocking the cams, will he also be offering a kit with lifters, pushrods and springs? (I've done a few roller cams in Studes, but when CASOs find out the costs, they aren't quite as interested.)

Again, congrats on all the good work and keeping Studebaker out there.

jack vines

Did you consider using a tunnel ram intake manifold?

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Re: 2019 Engine Master's Challenge - Studebaker Power Team

Post by Jeff Rice » 06 Oct 2019, 15:47

PackardV8 wrote:
06 Oct 2019, 11:35
Greetings and Congratulations, David,

Thanks for sharing the camshaft info; it's quite a bit different than the old school flat tappet stuff and probably a major reason for your great horsepower numbers.

Which lifters and pushrods did you run on it? Since Phil is going to be stocking the cams, will he also be offering a kit with lifters, pushrods and springs? (I've done a few roller cams in Studes, but when CASOs find out the costs, they aren't quite as interested.)

Comp Cams retrofit Hemi solid lifters used (Allowed via rules because the Studebaker team asked and said that Studebaker never made a hydraulic lifter*).
*The rule was made to mimic the NHRA stock class rules and the first OE roller camshaft setups were all hydraulic roller lifters.
We could have run the Crower retrofit hydraulic roller lifters, but they are $400 more than the Comp Cams solid roller lifters.
We had the Comp Cams solid lifters in stock.. (It's a CASO thing.. :twisted: )
Custom pushrods.


Again, congrats on all the good work and keeping Studebaker out there.

jack vines

Did you consider using a tunnel ram intake manifold?

Single 4bbl intake only (single plane and/or dual plane allowed)...Via the rule book.

Thanks, Jack...
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Re: 2019 Engine Master's Challenge - Studebaker Power Team

Post by PackardV8 » 06 Oct 2019, 16:12

Jeff Rice wrote:
06 Oct 2019, 15:47
Single 4bbl intake only (single plane and/or dual plane allowed)...Via the rule book.
That explains it. I checked the EMC rules and found this.
single four barrel intake manifold with centrally located carburetor / throttle body flange
required. Intake manifold INCLUDING all additional gaskets and spacers may not be
taller than 8 inches measured at the carb / throttle body mounting flange. The
measurement of carb flange is the average between the front and rear dimensions
taken from the engine china rail to a straight edge across the carb / throttle body
mounting surface. Pontiac engines will be measured using a line drawn at deck
between both sides, front and rear.
Did you get a ruling on where the 8" on the Stude V8 block would be measured?

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Re: 2019 Engine Master's Challenge - Studebaker Power Team

Post by Carnut1Cars » 06 Oct 2019, 17:00

Congratulations, great numbers. Obviously great head and manifold work , great modern camshaft. As for quick jet changes , check out Willy's externally adjustable metering blocks, I'am sure FST could come up with something similar. Any chance we could get the max advance numbers? Just as a ballpark as I am setting up a similar distributor.

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